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Post by jessekuiper on Oct 11, 2009 12:30:25 GMT
Niger's defeat against Angola on 12 Oct 2008 was their last match so far, that's a year ago tomorrow! Not playing any matches won't help you guys  Unlike Niger, Rwanda have tried to lose the wooden sp00n in the USSR line. They played against Algeria, Malawi, Zambia, Egypt, Tanzania and once more against Egypt, without any results. Maybe today they can finally get rid of it in Algeria. |
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Post by jessekuiper on Oct 12, 2009 10:59:26 GMT
Another failure for Rwanda. Their next chance will be on 14 November against Zambia.
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Post by jessekuiper on Nov 15, 2009 17:22:43 GMT
Rwanda's yesterday's match against Zambia ended in a goalless draw.
Both Niger and Rwanda don't have any future matches scheduled yet.
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Post by carter on Nov 21, 2009 7:43:05 GMT
Rwanda has three upcomeing matches sheduled. They will take on Somalia (29/11/09), Eritrea (03/12/09) and Zimbabwe (05/12/09). Maybe they get rid of the unglorious title before the end of 2009.
Niger still has no match sheduled.
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Post by carter on Nov 30, 2009 9:15:59 GMT
Rwanda snapped their first chance in Nairobi yesterday as they beat Somalia 1-0. The new unofficial wooden sthingy holder Somalia will meet Eritrea on 5/12 in Nairobi.
(Niger still no match sheduled)
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Post by carter on Dec 6, 2009 17:24:05 GMT
Somalia lost 1-3 to Eritrea yesterday. Both Somalia and Niger have no future matches sheduled.
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Post by carter on Mar 3, 2010 18:15:14 GMT
The next match for Niger will be on 03/09/2010 against South Africa (qualifier for continental championship). With the current civil war/coup d'etat ongoing it's unsure wheather this match will accually take place, but it has been sheduled and it's six month ahead, so we'll see.
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Post by carter on Aug 3, 2010 18:38:05 GMT
Somehow this got lost along the road: Niger reached a draw against Chad on 19/06/2010 (2 month ago °_°), however this didn't change anything in the course of the title. Next match scheduled is still 03/09/2010 against South Africa in continental qualifier.
Somalia has still no match scheduled
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Post by jessekuiper on Aug 12, 2010 4:42:14 GMT
OK so petewaring even thought of one other possible way to determine the holders, and he currently has... Macau! See the thread "Summary of all world and continental titles": Men’s world wooden sp00n. First contested 1872. Left the British Isles for the first time in 1926, as England beat Belgium. Travelled round Europe until 1940, when it fell to Latvia. Latvia was then subsumed into the USSR. Although the sp00n was analysed differently on a separate thread on this forum, I have concluded, after much thought, that the best thing at this point would be to declare the sp00n vacant (as was decided on the “Continental Champions” thread regarding Australia’s Oceania title in 2006) and give the sp00n to the loser of the next international thereafter (Finland). Finland then embarked on a record run of failure until finally beating Denmark in 1949. However, the sp00n bypassed Denmark, as they beat Norway in another international, played simultaneously in Oslo! Unsurprisingly, Luxembourg held the title from 1954 to 1961, but then stunningly beat Portugal. Portugal then beat Bulgaria, but Bulgaria soon took revenge, and Portugal held the sp00n once more. They then beat Brazil! This resulted in Brazil becoming the world wooden sp00ners in 1963 (they were official world champions at the time!!) Their first attempt to offload it saw them lose 5-1 to Belgium, but in their second, they beat France. Spain, also, briefly held the sp00n in 1969 following a defeat to Finland. Left Europe for the first time (other than Brazil’s brief 1963 tenure) in 1975 when Sweden beat Algeria. Algeria then beat Saudi Arabia in 1976, and the sp00n has remained in Asia ever since. Weak Asian teams only tend to ever play teams from their region, so there is very little prospect of the sp00n leaving Asia any time soon. Longest spells as sp00ners: Finland 23 failures to offload 1940-49, Philippines 23 failures 1996-00, Guam 21 failures 2000-09. Most defeats in total: (Northern) Ireland 60 Finland 58 Wales 38. |
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Post by carter on Aug 12, 2010 8:28:39 GMT
Why should the world title be vacant? Latvia "earned" it by loosing against the former title holder and they didn't leave the "world" like Australia left OFC. For world titles (both wooden sthingy and unofficial champion) every FIFA A-Match counts. The only question is: Was Latvias title transferred to USSR and was contested in their next match or did the title stay with Latvia and they just didn't play one match in a long time? That depends on how you look at the USSR: Is it a nation, subsuming all former national entities and breaking apart years later or is it a Federation/Union of several nations, who have give some powers to the Union (e.g. like EU)?
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Post by carter on Aug 12, 2010 8:35:58 GMT
Meanwhile Niger played another draw - this time goalless against Benin - so they failed again to get rid of the unglorious title. Next match (as stated above) is on 03/09/2010 against South Africa.
Somalia (and Macau, if you follow petewaring's road) still no match scheduled.
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Post by petewaring on Aug 13, 2010 7:35:16 GMT
Actually, Latvia did effectively leave the "world" in 1940, as they were no longer an independent nation, and no longer a member of FIFA. I don't think we should transfer Latvia's title to the USSR, as the USSR are seen by football statisticians as being the predecessor of Russia, not the predecessor of Latvia. Also, I don’t think we can keep the title with Latvia for over 50 years, because there was no guarantee they would ever regain independence. That would be like keeping the Oceania title forever inactive, just in case Australia decide one day to rejoin the OFC.
By the way, even if we did use the "USSR route", it would still end with Macau as current holders. Yes, it was previously reported as Somalia, but the problem is that FIFA now don't recognise that Algeria beat Libya in an official match on 26/05/1975, so instead Algeria offloaded the sp00n to Saudi Arabia in 1976. Therefore, the sp00n entered Asia, and is now with Macau. Of course, FIFA do occasionally re-classify old matches, so this may change; I guess we just have to keep an eye on it.
I'm sorry for the constant changes to the world wooden sp00n, but I think the current route is the best. Let me know what you think.
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Post by carter on Aug 13, 2010 8:36:03 GMT
That's an interesting point. If you think, Latvia ceased to exist as a nation when joining USSR and the "new Latvia" is an other country, that just bears the same name, one could consider the title vacant. I totally agree, that keeping the title with Latvia in this case would be nonsense, because the country "New Latvia" didn't earn it. But I'm not sure about wheater the title should go to the Union, because of one thougt: If today a country (let's say the US) "consume" another country (let's say Mexico), would Mexiko's title become vacant or would the US take it as now Mexiko was a State of the USA?
If you are correct about the Algeria/Libya match, this consideration doesn't change anything, because Macau is holder of the title eather way.
Up to this point we seem to somewhat agreee, but there's another problem, not being adressed until now: Some historics argue, that the member nations of USSR never stopped existing as a national entity. They were forced to give up legislativ, executive and jurisdictial powers, but they didn't do it by their own decision but under military pressure. This leads to a common theory, that most countrys within USSR did NOT cease to exist, but continued existing under foreign occupation (much like Hongkong under british rule or austria under german rule in WW II). If this is true, "New Lativa" and the former Latvia not only bear the same name, but are identical countries. This would mean, that Latvia earned the title and then didn't defend it for 50 years because of foreign occupation of their nation.
I'm not sure wheater we should step into this political debate on this side. I would rather suggest to stick with national football associations rather than the nation itself. And this is very clear: The latvian football ceased to exist and all players from latvia where allowed to play for the USSR national teams. The way I see it, FIFA considered Latvia to be subsumed into USSR...
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Post by jessekuiper on Aug 15, 2010 16:42:51 GMT
Anyway, when Latvia became part of USSR, nobody could seriously insist they were still the worst team in the world. So I think giving the title vacant is indeed the best solution.
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Post by sp00n on Jan 8, 2012 3:28:37 GMT
OMG I had this idea but someone already thought of it...
Since the last post Egypt has had the wooden sp00n while ranked 9 (!!!), passed it to Australia (rank 21 at the time) and then to Asia. Malaysia currently has the sp00n
I'll finish Petewaring's comment starting with what he ended with
13 10 2004 Luxembourg
7 2 2007 Gambia
9 9 2007 Algeria
20 11 2007 Mali
21 1 2008 Benin
8 6 2008 Uganda
14 6 2008 Angola
12 10 2008 Niger
10 10 2010 Egypt
17 11 2010 Australia
10 1 2011 India (during 2011 AFC Asian Cup)
21 3 2011 Chinese Taipei
3 7 2011 Malaysia
Current Wooden Sp00n holder: Malaysia
Next Matches:
20 2 2012 Saudi Arabia
29 2 2012 Philippines
Finishing above comment factoring USSR: Rwanda beat Somalia on 29/11/2009 and Somalia hasn't won since.
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