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Post by jessekuiper on Feb 14, 2009 15:06:45 GMT
On 15 October, Trinidad & Tobago beat the USA.
T&T succesfully defended the continental title against Antigua and Barbuda (5 November, 3:2), St. Kitts and Nevis (7 November, 3:1), Guyana (9 November, 1:1) and Cuba (19 November, 3:0).
On 3 December, Grenada took over the title by beating T&T by 2:1.
On 5 December, Jamaica beat Granada by 4:0. Jamaica succesfully defended the North/Central/Caribbean title against and Trinidad and Tobago (7 December, 1:1) and Grenada (14 December, 2:0).
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Post by kevinmce on Mar 21, 2009 13:35:58 GMT
In Oceania, not surprisingly, the title has been almost exclusively in Australian or New Zealand hands, since their first fixture in 1922. Perhaps more surprisingly, Fiji had the award from 1977-79, Tahiti from 1980 to 1991 (by virtue of the tactic of not playing any matches in the intervening 11 years), and Fiji again1991-92. The handing backwards and forwards between the two regional powers resumed, and the title was most recently wrested by the Socceroos in June 2005. They left the OFC six months later, and have not defended the title since: nor will they in competitive fixtures for the foreseeable future. But they will surely play occasional friendlies against their Kiwi neighbours to revive the competition.
Query As Australia are no longer OFC members, will they be able to defend and lose this title, or would we conclude that there is no longer an Oceanian side called Australia? And if they lose it, are they eligible to regain it?
Now, where will I find the first Asian match...?
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Post by kevinmce on Mar 26, 2009 22:59:46 GMT
Well, to answer my own query, the earliest games I could find were the Far Eastern Games, involving Philippines and China, and Japan from the third edition (although to those countries' point of view, they are not in the far east, but anyway...).
On the grounds that Turkey, Soviet Union/Russia, Israel and Australia have already been considered part of another continental championship, I have excluded them from the Asian title (Turkey would have changed its course in 1948, Soviet Union in 1959, 1966, 1978 and 1979, and Australia in 1982, 1996 and 2008)
China 31/1/1913 1 match
Philippines 4/2/1913 3 matches
China 1/5/1915 4 matches
Philippines 13/5/1919 1 match
China 15/5/1919 13 matches
Indonesia 12/5/1957 1 match
China 2/6/1957 2 matches
North Korea 25/10/1959 1 match
China 4/10/1960 2 matches
North Korea 5/8/1965 8 matches
Iran 11/5/1973 2 matches
Syria 15/5/1973 2 matches
Iraq 26/12/1975 7 matches
Kuwait 15/4/1976 4 matches
Iran 13/6/1976 17 matches
Kuwait 28/9/1980 2 matches
Thailand 16/10/1980 10 matches
Kuwait 22/4/1981 3 matches
China 18/10/1981 9 matches
North Korea 20/11/1981 2 matches
Thailand 24/11/1981 19 matches
Singapore 14/8/1982 1 match
Malaysia 5/10/1982 1 match
South Korea 7/10/1982 4 matches
Iran 25/11/1982 1 match
Kuwait 28/11/1982 2 matches
Iraq 4/12/1982 7 matches
Qatar 25/3/1984 1 match
Iraq 28/3/1984 3 matches
Qatar 5/4/1985 2 matches
Iraq 5/5/1985 7 matches
UAE 27/9/1985 2 matches
Kuwait 28/3/1986 9 matches
Saudi Arabia 3/10/1986 1 match
South Korea 5/10/1986 5 matches
Bahrain 17/6/1988 4 matches
Syria 12/7/1988 2 matches
Jordan 16/7/1988 1 match
Iraq 19/7/1988 4 matches
Qatar 20/1/1989 5 matches
Kuwait 22/9/1989 1 match
Iraq 15/10/1989 18 matches
China 20/6/1993 1 match
Saudi Arabia 23/1/1994 2 matches
Uzbekistan 1/10/1994 6 matches
Tajikstan 8/5/1996 1 match
Uzbekistan 19/6/1996 1 match
Japan 11/9/1996 4 matches
Kuwait 15/12/1996 1 match
UAE 18/12/1996 1 match
Saudi Arabia 21/12/1996 13 matches
China 3/10/1997 2 matches
Iran 17/10/1997 1 match
Saudi Arabia 24/10/1997 17 matches
Jordan 2/10/2000 2 matches
Qatar 5/1/2001 4 matches
Thailand 17/2/2001 8 matches
Iraq 17/8/2001 1 match
Bahrain 23/8/2001 3 matches
Saudi Arabia 21/9/2001 31 matches
Uzbekistan 22/7/2004 2 matches
Bahrain 30/7/2004 1 match
Japan 3/8/2004 7 matches
Iran 25/3/2005 5 matches
Japan 17/8/2005 3 matches
Saudi Arabia 3/9/2006 4 matches
Japan 15/11/2006 4 matches
Saudi Arabia 25/7/2007 1 match
Iraq 29/7/2007 1 match
Qatar 16/10/2007 5 matches
Bahrain 4/3/2008 7 matches
Japan 22/6/2008 7 matches
Bahrain 28/1/2009 2 matches to date
The next game is Bahrain's defence away to Japan on Saturday, in a world cup qualifier: Russia defend their European title at home to Azerbaijan the same day.
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Post by kevinmce on Mar 28, 2009 12:34:41 GMT
Japan win back the Asian title after beating Bahrain 1-0 today (next scheduled defence is against Uzbekistan on 6th June): Russian and Brazilian defences of their respective titles are imminent...
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Post by kevinmce on Mar 29, 2009 23:10:02 GMT
Brazil got a draw, and defend the S American title at home to Peru on Wednesday: Russia retained the European title against Azerbaijan, and are surely favourites in the next defence against Liechtenstein, also on Wednesday.
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Post by jessekuiper on Apr 1, 2009 21:00:47 GMT
Russia beat Liechtenstein by only 1-0. Next match will be against Finland on 6th June.
Meanwhile in Africa, Uganda successfully defended their title against Sudan and Malawi last month.
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Post by brunei on Jun 5, 2009 4:20:17 GMT
Sorry Pete, but you should update your post.  Since October 18, in South America, the results were: 18 10 2006 Uruguay b 6 26 2007 Peru 6 30 2007 Venezuela 7 7 2007 Uruguay 7 10 2007 Brazil 6 6 2008 Venezuela 6 19 2008 Chile 9 7 2008 Brazil Well, "Brasil" (in portugues) are the current South American Unofficial Champions SAUC I can expand only in CONMEBOL, because I'm Argentinian, so it's easier for me |
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Post by kevinmce on Jun 7, 2009 12:53:04 GMT
North America: still with Jamaica, after May draws with Haiti and El Salvador, are at home to Panama in a friendly later today.
Europe: Russia defend title against Finland on Wednesday.
Asia: Japan beat Uzbekistan yesterday, and are at home to Qatar on Wednesday.
S America: Brazil won that game against Peru, and again against Uruguay a few hours ago: they play Paraguay on Wednesday.
Africa: Uganda lost the title to Ghana on 31 May; Ghana are away to Mali later today.
Oceania: no scheduled match for Australia against Oceanian opposition.
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Post by norquay on Jun 8, 2009 13:14:21 GMT
On the grounds that Turkey, Soviet Union/Russia, Israel and Australia have already been considered part of another continental championship, I have excluded them from the Asian title (Turkey would have changed its course in 1948, Soviet Union in 1959, 1966, 1978 and 1979, and Australia in 1982, 1996 and 2008) Surely Australia needs to be included in Asian from 1st jan 2006 when they joined the Asian Confederation. Based on the list above, they would have acquired the title at the 2006 World Cup when they beat Japan. |
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Post by kevinmce on Jun 8, 2009 18:08:08 GMT
Jamaica and Ghana both won yesterday: next defences are on 3rd July and 20th June respectively.
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Post by kevinmce on Jun 8, 2009 19:30:00 GMT
Well, if, as Norquay suggests, Australia become eligible for the Asian title as of 1st Jan 2006, then they would have had to relinquish the Oceania title at that stage. If they had done this, then the first game between OFC members after that became the decider for their replacement: this was a Solomon Island victory over Papua New Guinea on 13.07.2007, a reign that lasted 5 matches before they were beaten by New Caledonia, who held the title for a year and a day, and through 6 matches, until they were beaten twice in 4 days by New Zealand. On 19th November 2008, in a dead rubber game in the OFC Nations Cup, Fiji scored a surprise win. The Fijians have not yet defended that title, nor have they any matches scheduled.
As Norquay says, Australia's first intervention to change the course of the Asian title, if we allow them to move to another competition, was against Japan in the World Cup finals on 12/6/06, so:
12/6/06 Australia 2 games
6/9/06 Kuwait 2 games
15/11/06 Bahrain 2 games
18/1/07 Saudi Arabia 3 games
27/1/07 UAE 3 games
24/6/07 Saudi Arabia 2 games
1/7/07 Oman 2 games
12/7/07 Thailand 1 game
16/7/07 Australia 1 game
21/7/07 Japan 1 game
Saudi Arabia 25/7/2007 1 match
Iraq 29/7/2007 1 match
Qatar 16/10/2007 5 matches
6/2/08 Australia 3 matches
7/6/08 Iraq 2 games
22/6/08 Qatar 2 games
11/8/08 Iran 14 games
28/3/09 Saudi Arabia 2 games
26/5/09 Qatar 1 defence so far, and Wednesday's game against Japan, as previously mentioned, is the next game.
So, are we going to say that Australia remain Oceania champs, and Japan carry the Asian title into Wednesday, or that Fiji reign over the OFC, and it is Qatar who are the defending Asian champs?
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Post by jessekuiper on Jun 9, 2009 20:46:06 GMT
I would say the last one (Fiji currently in Oceania, Qatar currently in Asia) because if we would have to wait for Australia to play another Oceanian team we maybe have to wait for another 10 years if we're unlucky.
Just let's hope that tomorrow's Japan vs. Qater won't end in a draw, so that the Asian title will be unboudted again.
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Post by jessekuiper on Jun 10, 2009 15:20:13 GMT
Just let's hope that tomorrow's Japan vs. Qater won't end in a draw, so that the Asian title will be unboudted again. Unfortunately, it ended in a 1-1 draw. Japan will now face Australia (!) on Wednesday next week. Qatar's next opponents are yet unknown. |
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Post by brunei on Jun 10, 2009 16:50:34 GMT
Kevin is correct about Australia. but i've got a question: If Australia has qualified from oceania and in that moment (and now too) are AFC, defated Japan in WC 2006, Australia shouldn't be an Oceanian team until World Championship end?
The fact is: Australia is Oceanian or Asian during the World Cup???
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Post by jessekuiper on Jun 11, 2009 10:12:26 GMT
The qualification for FIFA WC 2006 already ended during the year the 2005, so before Australia moved from OFC to AFC.
Also, Australia already played a qualification match vs. Bahrein for the Asia Cup on 22 February 2006, four months before the World Cup. So they are "Asian" starting from 1 January 2006, however you look at it. And thus they were also Asian during the World Cup.
Meanwhile in:
* Europe: Russia beat Finland 3:0. On 12 August they will play against Argentina; the next matches that count for the European title are against Liechtenstein on 5 September, and against Wales 4 days later.
* S America: Brazil beat Paraguay 2:1. Brazil are now going to the Confederations Cup which doesn't involve any other South American team. After that they will play a friendly against Estonia on 12 August. But on 5 September there will be a South American classic: Argentina vs. Brazil!
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